Posts by The Fall Guy

's) the figurative woman who's mentioned in revelation chapter 12 is none other than god almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.. it-2 p. 187 - "it would follow that the “woman” is god’s “wife,” the “jerusalem above,” the “mother” of christ and his spiritual brothers.

" jv chap.

The Fall Guy

Complaining? No, just trying to divert people away from examining what the cult's own literature says - something which seems to touch a nerve with you. Interesting.

"They WHERE interesting?" (the word is 'were', I think!)

My, my, is this deliberate or are you just trying to give a deliberately wrong impression?

Enough is enough - "pearls before swine" and all that. Enjoy any future direct quotes from your org which I may post.

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The "slave's" dogma depicts Satan as being more powerful than Jehovah!

by The Fall Guy in

according to the org's "guardians of doctrine," (g.o.d.

's) the figurative woman who's mentioned in revelation chapter 12 is none other than god almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.. it-2 p. 187 - "it would follow that the “woman” is god’s “wife,” the “jerusalem above,” the “mother” of christ and his spiritual brothers.

" jv chap.

The Fall Guy

I came here to get away from people like you - obfuscating J.W. apologists, who refuse to address the point being made. I can do that as well. You said, "And actual believe has nothing to do with it"

For someone who nitpicks others' highlights & italics, may I point out that you've misspelt 'belief' (it's not 'believe', as in your context) as well as omitting periods to end your sentences.

Your School Overseer can give you counsel on such errors.

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The "slave's" dogma depicts Satan as being more powerful than Jehovah!

by The Fall Guy in

according to the org's "guardians of doctrine," (g.o.d.

's) the figurative woman who's mentioned in revelation chapter 12 is none other than god almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.. it-2 p. 187 - "it would follow that the “woman” is god’s “wife,” the “jerusalem above,” the “mother” of christ and his spiritual brothers.

" jv chap.

The Fall Guy

I'm missing something here. I think if you read the part which you've personally highlighted, I did actually say "GOD'S omnipotence. I never said anything about the WOMAN being omnipotent.

Is there any special reason why you're trying to deflect attention away from what the cult actually says? Unless of course you are an active J.W., in which case, I will respect your choice to believe what you are told is truth.

p.s. Why are YOU using italics and bold lettering in both of your responses????????????

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The "slave's" dogma depicts Satan as being more powerful than Jehovah!

by The Fall Guy in

according to the org's "guardians of doctrine," (g.o.d.

's) the figurative woman who's mentioned in revelation chapter 12 is none other than god almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.. it-2 p. 187 - "it would follow that the “woman” is god’s “wife,” the “jerusalem above,” the “mother” of christ and his spiritual brothers.

" jv chap.

The Fall Guy

ds - good point. I'll limit my highlighting aspects of the WTBTS's falsehoods for the benefit of others. Must be my wonderful "Ministry School" training kicking in. I'll just let people accentuate the truths for themselves.

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I'm writing a letter to my country's branch

by Ray Frankz in

hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.

after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.

i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.

The Fall Guy

You want to see how the head of the snake will respond?

Walk up to a witnessing cart (preferably with elders at it) and try to explain the truth you've found.

You'll get your answer very quickly - in less than 90 seconds - and it'll save you the cost of a postage stamp to the Branch.

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The "slave's" dogma depicts Satan as being more powerful than Jehovah!

by The Fall Guy in

according to the org's "guardians of doctrine," (g.o.d.

's) the figurative woman who's mentioned in revelation chapter 12 is none other than god almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.. it-2 p. 187 - "it would follow that the “woman” is god’s “wife,” the “jerusalem above,” the “mother” of christ and his spiritual brothers.

" jv chap.

The Fall Guy

According to the org's "guardians of doctrine," (G.O.D.'s) the figurative woman who's mentioned in Revelation chapter 12 is none other than God Almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.

it-2 p. 187 - "It would follow that the “woman” is God’s “wife,” the “Jerusalem above,” the “mother” of Christ and his spiritual brothers." jv chap. 7 p. 78 Advertise the King and the Kingdom! (1919-1941) "The symbolic characters mentioned in this chapter of Revelation were identified as follows: the “woman” that gives birth as “God’s [heavenly] organization”

pe chap. 13 p. 117 par. 13 God’s Government of Peace - “The woman,” therefore, represents God’s organization of faithful heavenly creatures.

Since verses 6,13,14,15,& 16 all depict the "woman" as having to run away and get shelter and protection from Satan, it doesn't put God's omnipotence in a good light, does it? Maybe a "new" light about the woman will be forthcoming.

p.s. For defenders of org dogma - no cheating now: the hierarchy emphatically states that the woman is heavenly - not earthly, so please don't try to conflate heavenly & earthly. Verses 13,14,15, & 16 clearly indicate it's the woman herself - and not her "earthly offspring" as the "slave" tries to say, in order to prove their corrupt explanation.

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

The Fall Guy

Since Christians are by definition followers of Jesus Christ, I often wondered why the vast majority never considered his words at the sermon on the mount: Matthew 5:5 - "The meek will inherit the earth."

Or Psalm 37:9,11, & 29 which Jesus was clearly alluding to.

Revelation 21:3,4 relates what the conditions on earth will be for humans.

People being taught that they immediately "go to heaven when they die" also confounds what Jesus said about his resurrecting people "on the last day."

If deceased people are in heaven watching their loved ones on earth suffering all sorts of terrible trials and tribulations for years, would you call that "heaven?" Just my thoughts.

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The old "Book Study Group"

by The Fall Guy in

in the june 2004 kingdom ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a q&a item - "the congregation book study—why we need it.

three years later, in 2007 - in the august kingdom ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "how the congregation book study arrangement helps us.

but surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the book study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous: .

The Fall Guy

IN the June 2004 Kingdom Ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a Q&A item - "The Congregation Book Study—Why We Need It."

Three years later, in 2007 - in the August Kingdom Ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "How the Congregation Book Study Arrangement Helps Us."

But surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that Jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the Book Study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous:

km 10/08 - New Congregation Meeting Schedule - "During the week of April 21-27, 2008, the worldwide brotherhood heard an exciting announcement. “Commencing January 1, 2009, the Congregation Book Study will be held at the same time as the Theocratic Ministry School and the Service Meeting. The name of the Congregation Book Study will be changed to Congregation Bible Study.”

Was it just a coincidence that the intervening September 2007 KM warned J.W.'s not to get together in "independent groups" to do Biblical research? What was the "slave" really worried about?